Baptist Bible Fellowship International will hold its Global Fellowship Meeting on February 21-24, 2011 at the Bible Baptist Church, no. 55 Katipunan St. Cebu City, Philippines. For more information about this global conference, accommodations, etc., please visit the BBC Cebu website, the event website www.cebu2011.com (all-Flash), or download the PDF brochure (2 MB).
Schedule of activities
Monday 6:00 PM – Opening service
Speakers:
- Shoji Yoshida (Japanese missionary in Asia)
- Dr. Armie Jesalva (Pastor of host church – Philippines)
Speakers:
- Mike Valdez (Filipino missionary in Cambodia)
- Elmer Deal (BBFI Missionary in Congo)
- Nuth Pich (Pastor in Cambodia)
- Alfonso Alvizo (Evangelist in Mexico)
- George Housney (Evangelist for Middle East)
Afternoon: Seminar on reaching the Muslims with the Gospel, 2:00 PM
Tuesday 6:00 PM
Speakers:
- Tsunehiro Michishita (Pastor in Japan)
- Edivaldo Cano (Pastor in Brazil)
Speakers:
- Jeevan Sharma (Pastor in Nepal)
- Dr. Jae Kee Lee (Pastor in Korea)
- Larry Nelson (BBFI missionary in Australia)
- Gerardo Nable (Pastor in Philippines)
Wednesday 6:00 PM
Speakers:
- Cherlsoon Yim (Korean missionary in Ghana)
- John Chow (Pastor in Taiwan)
Speakers:
- Paul Byars (BBFI missionary with ABC – Philippines)
- Mukendi Cikala Jean (Pastor in Congo)
- Malid Khaled (Pastor in Middle East)
- Leonard James (Pastor in United Kingdom)
- Jun Lumagbas (Pastor in Philippines)
Afternoon: Seminar of outreach program by Bible Baptist Church, Cebu, 2:00 PM
Thursday 6:00 PM
Speakers:
- Linzy Slayden (BBFI President – USA)
- Dr. Daniel Kim (Pastor in Korea)
19 comments:
I am coming :)
1. How can it be a “fellowship” meeting when BBFI pastors are split on such issues as KJV vs. NIV, contemporary/praise and worship songs vs. traditional hymns, progressive churches vs. traditional churches?
2. Aren’t BBFI churches in the US known for their liberal ways? I came across one US Baptist church website where it says that one activity of its youth group is learning the latest dance steps!
LOL!! You really have a good spirit now!! NEGATIVE..tralala!!
Don't use criticisms as your excuse of having no money in order to attend such event.
Just say so if you haven't.
BBC Cebu makes the incredible claim of having won in the last three years TWO MILLION ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND (2.1 million) souls for Christ, supposedly a world-record. It says that its attendance has increased in that period by over 200%. Assuming that BBC Cebu has a membership of 20,000, this would mean that the 200% increase amounts to 40,000 new members. BUT this would mean that TWO MILLION SIXTY THOUSAND supposed converts are unaccounted for. That’s 95 to 98% unaccounted for.
BBC Cebu’s claims would have been more credible if it had stated how many of these millions of converts have been baptized and how many have become part of local churches. How many mission works or local churches have been started from these two million converts? But is BBC Cebu (and other BBFI churches for that matter) merely content with piling up statistics as to how may people have been supposedly converted through what David Cloud calls “quick prayerism”?
For that matter, how many of the supposed 30,000 plus people who made decisions made during the Franklin Graham crusade several years ago were baptized and became part of local evangelical or fundamentalist churches? BGEA itself has admitted that only about 5% of people who make decisions in its crusades are real converts.
If you follow up these millions of supposed converts of BBC Cebu (or of the Franklin Graham crusade, the Janney crusades), you will find that most do not exhibit any spiritual hunger or growth at all. The truth of the matter is that very, very few of the supposed converts were truly regenerated. Consider the following observations:
“True and False Conversions” by Ray Comfort
A major denomination which has 11,500 churches throughout the US – in 1991, their first year of what they called “the decade of harvest,” they got 294,000 decisions for Christ. They found that only 14,000 remained in fellowship. That is, they couldn’t account for 279,000 of their decisions for Jesus. And this is normal modern evangelical statistics when it comes to crusades and local churches.
“A Call for Spiritual Reformation” by respected Baptist scholar D.A/ Carson:
To what extent do those who profess faith at world-class evangelistic meetings actually persevere, over a period of five years from their initial profession of faith? When careful studies have been undertaken, the most commonly agreed range is 2 percent to 4 percent; that is, between 2 percent and 4 percent of those who make a profession of faith at such meetings are actually persevering in the faith five years later, as measured by such external criteria as attendance at church, regular Bible reading, or the like.
“Fundamental Baptists And Quick Prayerism: A Faulty Method Of Evangelism Has Produced A Change In The Doctrine Of Repentance” by David Cloud
The churches that have adopted this unscriptural method of evangelism have produced millions of false professions and have given a false hope to the same multitude. There are many churches that can show only a handful of new creatures in Christ for every thousand converts they claim. Longview Baptist Temple in Longview, Texas, claims that more than one million people have been won to Christ in 25 years. Yet on an average Wednesday evening service, which is the truest reflection a church’s active membership, you will only find a few hundred people in attendance. Literally hundreds of thousands of these souls that have been “won” are nowhere to be found.
There is something extremely wrong about that picture. It is a great confusion.
Praise be to God for this event!
Those 2 million+ individuals who are accounted in the article of BBC-Cebu are actually those people who made a decision to accept Jesus Christ as their Savior as product of their saturation program. It DOES NOT say that the 2M+ souls won were considered to be a part of the attendance of the church. Before giving out criticisms about the activity they've started, do you really know what this "SATURATION PROGRAM" is all about? Do you know the areas where they have implemented this program? Well, FYI, this program started so as to fulfill the Great Commission, that is to preach the gospel to every creature, even one step at a time, from town to town, city to another city, one island at a time. The teams then MEASURE THE NUMBER of people who have accepted Jesus Christ as their Savior (as evidenced by the subjective and objective cues presented) after being told about the gospel and that's it, very plain and simple (WHY COMPLICATE THINGS)??? It's not actually wrong for BBC-Cebu to claim such statistics because that is really the truth and this evaluation only answers one of the objectives that the saturation program have that is to SHARE the gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ (Well, except if you want them to claim lesser than what they have really won to Jesus Christ just to make you happy. Or maybe set another objectives just to be inline with what you have in mind, but that's not the way it is)! Again, I would ask, do you really know about the Saturation Program of BBC-Cebu? Its objectives? Or maybe you're just trying to put them down for you to set your ideas up. What a pitiful strategy of yours. Crab Mentality...
"BBC Cebu’s claims would have been more credible if it had stated how many of these millions of converts have been baptized and how many have become part of local churches." How sure are you that this is really more credible? What's the point if BBC-Cebu is able to get the stat for this? Nothing I guess because real conversion is neither measured through baptism nor being a part of a local church. Putting it as part of the objectives in the program is irrelevant because one's truthfulness cannot be measured by just doing that. Again, the program's objectives would always go back to the fulfillment of the Great Commission, to preach the Gospel to every creature. Follow-ups are then being made to ensure spiritual growth. Of course, it's up to them whether to continue or not, it's not us forcing them to do things, otherwise, we will be going against their freedom of choice. At this point, we can always pray for their spiritual growth by then. We are capable of influencing other people's lives but we are not the ones who will choose for their paths. The thing here is that Spiritual growth is between you and the Almighty: IT'S THE INDIVIDUAL WHO WILL CHOOSE WHETHER HE WOULD GROW IN GRACE OR REMAIN WHERE HE IS!
How can you prove also that it's false professions and false hope? Do you have the power to see what's inside the heart of every people who were able to hear the Word Of God? Is it a false hope when it's written boldly in the Bible? I just thought that maybe you have your OWN Bible to claim your things to be right. Well, that BIBLE of yours may have the most deceiving contents in the world.
"Let us really be aware of people who criticize great and wonderful things. Sometimes, they really appear to be the one who is correct because of their so-called "flowery evidences". However, let us try to be vigilant whether the presented evidences are true or maybe, ways only to downgrade good things. But I believe that no matter what they say or what others think, it will not matter as long as we're on the perfect Will of God!"
To Anonymous at 1:26 AM:
“How can you prove also that it's false professions and false hope? Do you have the power to see what's inside the heart of every people who were able to hear the Word Of God?”
I thought you said that there are “subjective and objective cues” used by the BBF Cebu outreach teams? Isn’t that being able to see “what’s inside the heart of every people”?
Plus, take a look a the BBFI Articles of Faith (“Of Grace in the New Creation”) which states that in true salvation or conversion, “its proper evidence appears in the holy fruits of repentance and faith and newness of life.” Take note of the phrase “newness of life”. Don’t you Bible Baptists believe in your own Articles of Faith?
Don’t Bible Baptists believe in the doctrine of regeneration – that good works always follow faith, and that a new life is the visible sign or the evidence of an inward conversion? Again as David Cloud said, “No church can avoid false professions entirely; but the reporting of massive numbers of empty professions is the standard procedure for these churches. No one seems disturbed that only a tiny percentage of the many salvations being reported exhibit any evidence of regeneration. ”
Truly, as Paul Washer says, regeneration is a lost doctrine today. Or as David Cloud again says, “The idea that you cannot tell if someone is saved is unscriptural nonsense. It is possible, of course, for a person to show false signs of salvation and to deceive those who observe him, as Judas did the other apostles; but on the other hand, if someone is genuinely saved, there will definitely be evidence of it in his or her life. Profession of salvation is not the same as possession.”
“How sure are you that this is really more credible? What's the point if BBC-Cebu is able to get the stat for this? Nothing I guess because real conversion is neither measured through baptism nor being a part of a local church. Putting it as part of the objectives in the program is irrelevant because one's truthfulness cannot be measured by just doing that. Again, the program's objectives would always go back to the fulfillment of the Great Commission, to preach the Gospel to every creature.”
The Great Commission is not only about preaching. Please read Matthew 28:19-20 (take note of the words I placed in all caps): “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, BAPTIZING them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: TEACHING them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world.”
Baptism is part of the fulfillment of the Great Commission. “Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you” is also part of the Great Commission. Teaching is done through the local church, which is why I asked how many mission works or churches have been built through the 2.1 million reported conversions, or how many have become church members.
“Follow-ups are then being made to ensure spiritual growth. Of course, it's up to them whether to continue or not, it's not us forcing them to do things, otherwise, we will be going against their freedom of choice. At this point, we can always pray for their spiritual growth by then. We are capable of influencing other people's lives but we are not the ones who will choose for their paths. The thing here is that Spiritual growth is between you and the Almighty: IT'S THE INDIVIDUAL WHO WILL CHOOSE WHETHER HE WOULD GROW IN GRACE OR REMAIN WHERE HE IS!”
“An individual who chooses to remain where he is” only proves that his profession of faith is false. A person who says that he is saved but who does not want to be baptized, does not want to become part of a local church, or does not want to grow spiritually, has not truly been born again. There can be no conversion without regeneration (2 Corinthians 5:17).
To Anonymous at 1:26 AM:
“How can you prove also that it's false professions and false hope? Do you have the power to see what's inside the heart of every people who were able to hear the Word Of God?”
I thought you said that there are “subjective and objective cues” used by the BBF Cebu outreach teams? Isn’t that being able to see “what’s inside the heart of every people”?
Plus, take a look a the BBFI Articles of Faith (“Of Grace in the New Creation”) which states that in true salvation or conversion, “its proper evidence appears in the holy fruits of repentance and faith and newness of life.” Take note of the phrase “newness of life”. Don’t you Bible Baptists believe in your own Articles of Faith?
Don’t Bible Baptists believe in the doctrine of regeneration – that good works always follow faith, and that a new life is the visible sign or the evidence of an inward conversion? Again as David Cloud said, “No church can avoid false professions entirely; but the reporting of massive numbers of empty professions is the standard procedure for these churches. No one seems disturbed that only a tiny percentage of the many salvations being reported exhibit any evidence of regeneration.”
Truly, as Paul Washer says, regeneration is a lost doctrine today. Or as David Cloud again says, “The idea that you cannot tell if someone is saved is unscriptural nonsense. It is possible, of course, for a person to show false signs of salvation and to deceive those who observe him, as Judas did the other apostles; but on the other hand, if someone is genuinely saved, there will definitely be evidence of it in his or her life. Profession of salvation is not the same as possession.”
“How sure are you that this is really more credible? What's the point if BBC-Cebu is able to get the stat for this? Nothing I guess because real conversion is neither measured through baptism nor being a part of a local church. Putting it as part of the objectives in the program is irrelevant because one's truthfulness cannot be measured by just doing that. Again, the program's objectives would always go back to the fulfillment of the Great Commission, to preach the Gospel to every creature.”
The Great Commission is not only about preaching. Please read Matthew 28:19-20 (take note of the words I placed in all caps): “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, BAPTIZING them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: TEACHING them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world.”
Baptism is part of the fulfillment of the Great Commission. “Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you” is also part of the Great Commission. Teaching is done through the local church, which is why I asked how many mission works or churches have been built through the 2.1 million reported conversions, or how many have become church members.
“Follow-ups are then being made to ensure spiritual growth. Of course, it's up to them whether to continue or not, it's not us forcing them to do things, otherwise, we will be going against their freedom of choice. At this point, we can always pray for their spiritual growth by then. We are capable of influencing other people's lives but we are not the ones who will choose for their paths. The thing here is that Spiritual growth is between you and the Almighty: IT'S THE INDIVIDUAL WHO WILL CHOOSE WHETHER HE WOULD GROW IN GRACE OR REMAIN WHERE HE IS!”
“An individual who chooses to remain where he is” only proves that his profession of faith is false. A person who says that he is saved but who does not want to be baptized, does not want to become part of a local church, or does not want to grow spiritually, has not truly been born again. There can be no real conversion without regeneration or a new life (2 Corinthians 5:17).
To Anonymous at 1:26 AM:
“How can you prove also that it's false professions and false hope? Do you have the power to see what's inside the heart of every people who were able to hear the Word Of God?”
I thought you said that there are “subjective and objective cues” used by the BBF Cebu outreach teams? Isn’t that being able to see “what’s inside the heart of every people”?
Plus, take a look a the BBFI Articles of Faith (“Of Grace in the New Creation”) which states that in true salvation or conversion, “its proper evidence appears in the holy fruits of repentance and faith and newness of life.” Take note of the phrase “newness of life”. Don’t you Bible Baptists believe in your own Articles of Faith?
Don’t Bible Baptists believe in the doctrine of regeneration – that good works always follow faith, and that a new life is the visible sign or the evidence of an inward conversion? Again as David Cloud said, “No church can avoid false professions entirely; but the reporting of massive numbers of empty professions is the standard procedure for these churches. No one seems disturbed that only a tiny percentage of the many salvations being reported exhibit any evidence of regeneration.”
Truly, as Paul Washer says, regeneration is a lost doctrine today. Or as David Cloud again says, “The idea that you cannot tell if someone is saved is unscriptural nonsense. It is possible, of course, for a person to show false signs of salvation and to deceive those who observe him, as Judas did the other apostles; but on the other hand, if someone is genuinely saved, there will definitely be evidence of it in his or her life. Profession of salvation is not the same as possession.”
“How sure are you that this is really more credible? What's the point if BBC-Cebu is able to get the stat for this? Nothing I guess because real conversion is neither measured through baptism nor being a part of a local church. Putting it as part of the objectives in the program is irrelevant because one's truthfulness cannot be measured by just doing that. Again, the program's objectives would always go back to the fulfillment of the Great Commission, to preach the Gospel to every creature.”
The Great Commission is not only about preaching. Please read Matthew 28:19-20 (take note of the words I placed in all caps): “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, BAPTIZING them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: TEACHING them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world.”
Baptism is part of the fulfillment of the Great Commission. “Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you” is also part of the Great Commission. Teaching is done through the local church, which is why I asked how many mission works or churches have been built through the 2.1 million reported conversions, or how many have become church members.
“Follow-ups are then being made to ensure spiritual growth. Of course, it's up to them whether to continue or not, it's not us forcing them to do things, otherwise, we will be going against their freedom of choice. At this point, we can always pray for their spiritual growth by then. We are capable of influencing other people's lives but we are not the ones who will choose for their paths. The thing here is that Spiritual growth is between you and the Almighty: IT'S THE INDIVIDUAL WHO WILL CHOOSE WHETHER HE WOULD GROW IN GRACE OR REMAIN WHERE HE IS!”
“An individual who chooses to remain where he is” only proves that his profession of faith is false. A person who says that he is saved but who does not want to be baptized, does not want to become part of a local church, or does not want to grow spiritually, has not truly been born again. There can be no real conversion without regeneration or a new life(2 Corinthians 5:17).
I posted my comment comment yesterday but it has been deleted. I have reposted it twice today but they got deleted again. Why are my comments being deleted? Is this a case of censorship?
“How can you prove also that it's false professions and false hope? Do you have the power to see what's inside the heart of every people who were able to hear the Word Of God?”
I thought you said that there are “subjective and objective cues” used by the BBF Cebu outreach teams? Isn’t that being able to see “what’s inside the heart of every people”?
Plus, take a look a the BBFI Articles of Faith (“Of Grace in the New Creation”) which states that in true salvation or conversion, “its proper evidence appears in the holy fruits of repentance and faith and newness of life.” Take note of the phrase “newness of life”. Don’t you Bible Baptists believe in your own Articles of Faith?
Don’t Bible Baptists believe in the doctrine of regeneration – that good works always follow faith, and that a new life is the visible sign or the evidence of an inward conversion? Again as David Cloud said, “No church can avoid false professions entirely; but the reporting of massive numbers of empty professions is the standard procedure for these churches. No one seems disturbed that only a tiny percentage of the many salvations being reported exhibit any evidence of regeneration.”
Truly, as Paul Washer says, regeneration is a lost doctrine today. Or as David Cloud again says, “The idea that you cannot tell if someone is saved is unscriptural nonsense. It is possible, of course, for a person to show false signs of salvation and to deceive those who observe him, as Judas did the other apostles; but on the other hand, if someone is genuinely saved, there will definitely be evidence of it in his or her life. Profession of salvation is not the same as possession.”
“How sure are you that this is really more credible? What's the point if BBC-Cebu is able to get the stat for this? Nothing I guess because real conversion is neither measured through baptism nor being a part of a local church. Putting it as part of the objectives in the program is irrelevant because one's truthfulness cannot be measured by just doing that. Again, the program's objectives would always go back to the fulfillment of the Great Commission, to preach the Gospel to every creature.”
The Great Commission is not only about preaching. Please read Matthew 28:19-20 (take note of the words I placed in all caps): “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, BAPTIZING them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: TEACHING them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world.”
Baptism is part of the fulfillment of the Great Commission. “Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you” is also part of the Great Commission. Teaching is done through the local church, which is why I asked how many mission works or churches have been built through the 2.1 million reported conversions, or how many have become church members.
“Follow-ups are then being made to ensure spiritual growth. Of course, it's up to them whether to continue or not, it's not us forcing them to do things, otherwise, we will be going against their freedom of choice. At this point, we can always pray for their spiritual growth by then. We are capable of influencing other people's lives but we are not the ones who will choose for their paths. The thing here is that Spiritual growth is between you and the Almighty: IT'S THE INDIVIDUAL WHO WILL CHOOSE WHETHER HE WOULD GROW IN GRACE OR REMAIN WHERE HE IS!”
“An individual who chooses to remain where he is” only proves that his profession of faith is false. A person who says that he is saved but who does not want to be baptized, does not want to become part of a local church, or does not want to grow spiritually, has not truly been born again. There can be no real conversion without regeneration or a new life (2 Corinthians 5:17).
Please do not delete my comments or I will conclude that censorship, hypocrisy or bigotry is going on here!
“How sure are you that this is really more credible? What's the point if BBC-Cebu is able to get the stat for this? Nothing I guess because real conversion is neither measured through baptism nor being a part of a local church. Putting it as part of the objectives in the program is irrelevant because one's truthfulness cannot be measured by just doing that. Again, the program's objectives would always go back to the fulfillment of the Great Commission, to preach the Gospel to every creature.”
The Great Commission is not only about preaching. Please read Matthew 28:19-20 (take note of the words I placed in all caps): “Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, BAPTIZING them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: TEACHING them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world.”
Baptism is part of the fulfillment of the Great Commission. “Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you” is also part of the Great Commission. Teaching is done through the local church, which is why I asked how many mission works or churches have been built through the 2.1 million reported conversions, or how many have become church members.
“Follow-ups are then being made to ensure spiritual growth. Of course, it's up to them whether to continue or not, it's not us forcing them to do things, otherwise, we will be going against their freedom of choice. At this point, we can always pray for their spiritual growth by then. We are capable of influencing other people's lives but we are not the ones who will choose for their paths. The thing here is that Spiritual growth is between you and the Almighty: IT'S THE INDIVIDUAL WHO WILL CHOOSE WHETHER HE WOULD GROW IN GRACE OR REMAIN WHERE HE IS!”
“An individual who chooses to remain where he is” only proves that his profession of faith is false. A person who says that he is saved but who does not want to be baptized, does not want to become part of a local church, or does not want to grow spiritually, has not truly been born again. There can be no real conversion without regeneration or a new life (2 Corinthians 5:17).
All have points. That's right.
To the ONE who give "good" critics to the WONDERFUL WORKS of BBC-Cebu: I really wonder if you have done that great preaching to the millions of people, doing follow-ups, and baptize them all in your church. I wonder if you have already at least 500 churches as fruit of your OWN church. Coz it seemed that you're really at the right track and you indeed are doing what you preach, criticizing that way. And I couldn't imagine how ungrateful you are. With that great work of BBC-Cebu, haven't you seen the AMAZING GRACE God has bestowed to the workers (Saturation Teams)?? Oh my, bitterness of God's work is really dangerous. You're going against the ministry of God.
I think it is better, or we may say, it's best instead to support the work and pray for those who sacrifice their lives for the work of God. Prayer is the best thing for your idea to be realized, if you really and truly care. Well, if you're not just impressing us with your appreciable comments, I guess you should better pray for those souls. Or if you want it to be what you really expect it to be, guess you better open it to your church to have a support team having a goal of following those souls up. Let your workers do as you wished. Let it be seen first in your life before PREACHING.
I'm glad you did a great job. May GOD tap your shoulder with those words.
well, it's good to hear the positive and negative side of every individuals point of view so that we can identify circumstances that needs to be improve.. take a look on those people who got saved, they need to be follow-up,so now there's a Need of people who are willing and would be very diligent to follow-up those millions of soul that got saved. But it so sad to hear that instead of helping them through prayer, they are condemning the great work. Making themselves so proud of finding errors on the Work Of God.. isn't it tiring? Lol.
how about those sincere souls? take a look on the positive side.. instead of giving your flowery ENCOURAGEMENT to this work.. why not preach it to yourself first? so that you can realize that your message is for you?
Many souls are lost and dying..so the fulfilling of the great commission is urgent/in need, badly needed. time is at hand.. dont you pity that those souls wont hear God's word?
Bitterness brod..
It is sin..
Let go and focus on the Work Of the Lord..
GODBLESSYOU.
basta go ye therefore and preach the gospel to every creature! fulfill the great commission at ang Holy Spirit na bahala dun sa mga taong nakarinig ng mensahe ng kaligtasan sa Panginoong Hesukristo..
Yes! It's really sad that many people are negative instead of being positive. I like what Kiku have said above. Let's continue on and be encouraged more with all these negative people around us. Well, in the last days, which we consider it now, many christians will be deceived. Of course the best tool of satan is destroying the real christians for these deceived christians will be his best tools in destroying the work of God. Let us not be used of the devil and as long as we have real christians going on, Satan will never win! God bless to all.
Why not rejoice because this church is doing their part in the Great Commission? Well, I'll just pray for you brother and let us help one another. There are still a lot of souls who need the gospel. Instead of spending time to argue about your opinion or others, let us spend time praying for others to get save and other believers to be strengthened. God bless you brother.
From “Fundamental Baptists And Quick Prayerism: A Faulty Method Of Evangelism Has Produced A Change In The Doctrine Of Repentance” (first published February 2000, updated 2005) by Pastor David Cloud:
(1) “… in recent decades, a great error has swept through many realms of the fundamental Baptist movement … I call it ‘QUICK PRAYERISM.” It is an evangelistic methodology whereby people are told that they are Heaven-bound Christians and are counted as such in reports merely because they prayed a sinner’s prayer, even though they often give no evidence that they have been born again.
“I call it prayerism because it focuses on a prayer as a means of salvation. I call it ‘QUICK PRAYERISM’ because it specializes in quick presentations and quick decisions and an overall shallowness of depth and because large numbers of its ‘converts’ display no evidence that they have been born again.”
(2) “The churches that have adopted this unscriptural method of evangelism have produced millions of false professions and have given a false hope to the same multitude. There are many churches that can show only a handful of new creatures in Christ for every thousand converts they claim.”
(3) “For years I have observed the sad fruit of this technique: multitudes of false professions, confusion about salvation, indifference to biblical truth, agnosticism, reprobate living, a weakening of the significance of church membership, lack of church discipline, and blasphemy against God. In many communities across the land a large percentage of the population has prayed a sinner’s prayer and been baptized at churches practicing quick prayerism, though vast numbers of these have never been born again and they are now almost inoculated to biblical salvation.”
(4) “I witnessed this type of things many times. A group of soul winners would return to the church claiming to have won ten people to Christ, but typically, not even one of those ‘saved’ people would show any further interest in the things of God. If this type of thing happened once or twice, no one would think much of it. No church can avoid false professions entirely, but the reporting of massive numbers of empty professions is the standard procedure of these churches. No one seems to be disturbed that only a tiny percentage of the many salvations being reported exhibit any evidence of regeneration.”
(5) “It is important that this error of quick prayerism be exposed.”
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